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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Aug 26, 2007 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question [now including solo LPs!]

On July 28, liamfinnegan asked:

"Which studio album has a song listing that adds up to the most number of cumulative performances? For instance, if anthem had 300 shows with TOO and 100 shows where they played caboose 40 times, Gator 50 times, born cross eyed a dozen times and caution 40 times- then Anthem produced 530 individual song performances.

So which album is it? Name second and third most also as three albums are far ahead of the rest."

He belatedly answered in a thread relating to something else that American Beauty was first and Workingman's Dead second, but we never got a full accounting. Here it is for the first eleven albums:

Grateful Dead 991 (+413 if later Minglewood's count)
Anthem of the Sun 751
Aoxomoxoa 893
Workingman's Dead 1673
American Beauty 2166
Wake of the Flood 1571
Mars Hotel 1104
Blues for Allah 851
Terrapin Station 1261 (+46 if pre-76 Dancin's count)
Shakedown Street 1567 (+157 if pre-76 Good Lovin's and Minglewood's count)
Go to Heaven 1363 (+60 if pre-78 Don't Ease Me In's count)

If you use my more restrictive numbers, then American Beauty is way out front, followed by Workingman's Dead, with Wake of the Flood and Shakedown Street in a virtual tie. If you credit all Good Lovin's and Minglewood's to Shakedown Street, then it jumps to second ahead of Workingman's Dead and Wake of the Flood. Liam earlier said that he would count it that way. I haven't because:

Don't Ease Me In was released as a single in 1966.
Dancin' in the Streets was released on the MGM/Sunflower live LP Vintage Dead, and had markedly changed when it re-emerged in 1976.
Minglewood was on the first LP, and got a name change and new lyrics when it re-emerged in 1976.
Good Lovin' had markedly changed with a new vocalist when it re-emerged in 1977.

BTW, if the three parts of Weather Report Suite count as three separate song performances (before they started doing just Let it Grow), then Wake of the Flood barely jumps into second place with 1675. I haven't reckoned it that way since WRS is listed as one number on the CDs.

EDIT: After posting this, it occurred to me to check solo LPs. Jerry's first effort logged 1742 cumulative GD performances, putting it above everything but American Beauty. But Bobby's Ace logged a whopping 2543 cumulative GD performances, putting it first overall! This is not surprising, given how regularly the boys alternated vocals by Jerry and Bob in the first set, and given how many fewer songs Bob wrote over the years, so he'd have to draw more heavily from his few efforts. Not only did Jerry have more solo LPs, but he contributed way more songs to GD LPs.

Oh, Jerry's next most fruitful solo LP (as regards GD concerts) was Reflections, with a mere 566 cumulative performances.

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2007-08-27 00:28:47

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 26, 2007 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

Lou--for an anal retentive like me, all I can say is:

THANKS!

Seriously.

Very cool.

I always said 70 +/- 1 yr was the most important yr (song writing, studio, etc.)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 26, 2007 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

"I always said 70 +/- 1 yr was the most important yr (song writing, studio, etc.)"

that is so true of many bands...a musical renaissance

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 26, 2007 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

True.

Rob and I had this debate; he picked 70 and I argued that 67 is also, arguably better, for significant, debut albums of many bands...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 27, 2007 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

i find it cool that you and Rob have mulled this over because this has been an ongoing discussion for me since about 73 or so...when the local FM radio station no longer played entire uninterrupted sides of albums followed by several minutes of silence...........................and then a super laid back commentary from the dj

the one constant (at least in my travels) is the older cats born in the late 40's/early 50's seem to gravitate towards 67 or so, while us mid 1950's boomers more often than not go for around 1970 (an older cousin of mine once told me that he realized the magic was gone by 1968 when he first happened upon a psychedelic Pepsi poster)

for me, the 1970 recordings (+/- 1 year) have a nice mix of good song writing coupled with sophisticated jazz influenced improvised instrumental activity (Allman Bros, Jethro Tull immediately come to mind)

no doubt that whole 66>71 era has some really interesting songwriting

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 27, 2007 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

Sweet mother of God. That is one great post that renews my faith in this fucked up place.

Don't mean to put too much on you, you Son of a Bitch ("Mr Nice Guy Tell" I am now called)...

Seriously, Midnight, I am quite amazed that you have had these conversations as I have had many...maybe we each had one with someone that had one with...

Cool.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 27, 2007 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

could very well be...i grew up in a mad house with numerous siblings, cousins, and their suspected Nam draft-dodger "brothers" holed up in the basement...you get the pic

did you have one of those FM stations in your town? ours was CHUM-FM in Toronto, (CHUM-AM was the top bubble gum station)

hell, you didn't even need an album collection...they even changed the records for you!

and ya, um...i/we did get a little carried away there...i still stand by my original statement...you are one of cool cats hereabouts

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 27, 2007 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

Grew up in the Bay Area, and though FM stations abounded, didn't really get into that scene myself. Loved hearing all of one side of Live Dead driving around in the 70s, though, which could happen on a number of different ones that were up and running then.

Damn, I can't even be sure of the four ltr name now! Too old and 'forgetful'

But, know this, guy--great catching up with you hereabouts.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Aug 26, 2007 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete answer to Liam's trivia question

Also, it's worth noting that 991 is probably a major underestimate for the first LP, as so many setlists are missing from 1966-68, when they drew heavily from material that appeared on that album.